Prabhupāda Hṛdayaṁ

In Prabhupādas We Trust

Śrīla Prabhupāda, being a true representative of the Gauḍīya paramparā can never transgress the Gosvāmī Siddhānta. Apparent contradictions were employed for preaching purposes, HG Uttamshloka Das Prabhu, a Senior Vaishnava & Disciple of Srila Prabhupad recalls a particular event he hear from a devotee :— “Bhagavata Maharaja also told me an anecdote he heard: When Dr. OBL Kapoor asked Srila Prabhupada why he hinted at a fall for the jīvas when there was none, Srila Prabhupada said to Dr. OBL Kapoor that westerners were so impersonal by nature that he wanted to give us some context of being personal from the beginning of time so he hinted at some fall like Adam and Eve so we would have a more personal conception. [end]”. This is correct it's also said in the Bhāgavatam "parokṣa-vādo vedo ’yaṁ bālānām anuśāsanam karma-mokṣāya karmāṇi vidhatte hy agadaṁ yathā" "Childish foolish people are attached to materialistic, fruitive activities. Therefore the Vedic injunctions indirectly lead one to the path of ultimate liberation by first prescribing fruitive religious activities, just as a father promises his child candy so that the child will take the medicine." 

If Prabhupāda would directly say the siddhānta that we were always here ! since no beginning then most of the westerners could not have digested it thus he gave this candy to make them take the medicine, He wanted everyone to read the Gosvāmī Literatures which most of us do not do now. 

“Pure devotees have prepared many books of knowledge on the basis of authorized scriptures. Srila Rupa Gosvami and his assistants, under the instructions of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, have all written various literatures for the guidance of prospective devotees, and anyone who is very serious about raising himself to the standard of a pure devotee of the Lord must take advantage of those literatures.”  ~ SB 3.7.39, purport 

Yes so this is the thing, the Gosvāmī Granthas are all clear in message that Jīvas can't fall from Paravyoma how can Prabhupāda say something averse ? if he says then it will taint him with Apasiddhānta Doṣa "siddhāntamabhyupetyāniyamātkathāprasaṅgoʼpasiddhāntaḥ", which is obviously not the case here. We must understand Prabhupāda's stand here with the famous locana rocani śloka of Śrī Jīva which goes  "svecchayā likhitaṁ kiṁcit kiṁcid atra parecchayā yat pūrvāpara-sambaddhaṁ tat-pūrvam aparaṁ param" "Some things I have written of my own volition, some at the behest of others. That which is consistent throughout is the former, that which is not, the latter.", so if we see the pakṣa held by Śrīla Prabhupāda saying that Jīvas can't fall from vaikuṇṭha is consistent with paramparā hence it must be held as his conclusion. Śrīla Prabhupāda himself said “The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuṇṭha planet, for it is the eternal abode. But sometimes, as the Lord desires, devotees come into this material world as preachers or as atheists. In each case we must understand that there is a plan of the Lord.”~ Purport ŚB 3.16.26. This is Conclusion of Śrīla Prabhupāda, Prabhupāda himself said that he is consistent with the gosvāmī granthas—

Paramahamsa: Yeah, that was, the reason was because of, he didn't want the devotees going to Gaudiya Matha. But there's nothing wrong with the idea of studying the previous acaryas' books.

Prabhupada: No. Who said? That is wrong. We are following previous acaryas. I never said that.

~Morning Walk -- May 13, 1975, Perth

So how can Prabhupāda preach Apasiddhānta ?, Obviously he can't just as Śrī Śrīdhara used Māyāvāda elements in his Śuddha vaiṣṇava vyākhyā is an bait for the Māyāvādis, similarly certain Fallvādī teachings given by Prabhupāda is like a bait for the general western populi this is known as baḍiśāmiṣārpaṇanyāya by the vidvatjanas. One may be confused with the term 'time immemorial', that we agree is not the correct translation of anādi but however Prabhupāda used the term in the sense of anādi only as found here "Devotee: ...the Vedas were from time immemorial?, Prabhupāda: Yes [ March 18, 1968, San Francisco]"  We know the popular verse "vedo nārāyaṇa śākṣāt" thus we understand that Śrīla prabhupāda is using the term 'time immemorial' for the term anādi in the sense we know, otherwise we must accept an origin of Śrī Nārāyaṇa at a time immemorial also Śrīla prabhupāda calls Nanda Yaśodā as the parents of Śrī Kṛṣṇa from 'time immemorial' but here also he meant 'anādi' because in dhyāna mantra mother Yaśodā and Śrī Nanda bhūpāl are mentioned and also in paravyoma they are there as per the upaniṣads and the ṛgkhila, vedas are anādi hence we cant say that this dhyāna mantras came after a certain time before that the parents of lord weren't his parents that will be an great offence. But we read at some places that the spiritual manifested kṛṣṇa was alone etc, Śrīla Bhakti vinode has cleared this doubt in his magnum opus Śrī Jaiva dharma it goes —

"The time and space that you experience in this material world are completely different from time and space in the spiritual world. Material time is divided into three aspects: past, present and future. However, in the spiritual world there is only one undivided, eternally present time. Every event of the spiritual world is eternally present. Whatever we say or describe in the material world is under the jurisdiction of material time and space, so when we say – “The jīvas were created,” “The spiritual world was manifested,” or “There is no influence of maya in creating the form of the jīvas,” – material time is bound to influence our language and our statements. This is inevitable in our conditioned state, so we cannot remove the influence of material time from our descriptions of the atomic jīva and spiritual objects. The conception of past, present and future always enters them in some way or another. Still, those who can discriminate properly can understand the application of the eternal present when they comprehend the purport of the descriptions of the spiritual world."

Thus we understand that duty to the influence of time factor on the language we can't understand the import of the śāstras, thus 'time immemorial' of Śrīla prabhupāda means 'beginningless time' alone.

Now we shall Refute the Fallvādis by the Quotes of Śrīla Prabhupāda alone!

 If someone says “The jīvas revolted against the Lord”, but this is illogical as there is no absolute reason for it as Prabhupāda writes— “Therefore in the Vaikuntha world there is no question of enmity between the Lord and the residents. Here in this material world the citizens may be inimical to the chief executives or heads of state, but in Vaikuntha there is no such mentality. One is not allowed to enter Vaikuntha unless he has completely developed the good qualities. The basic principle of goodness is to accept subordination from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.”[Bhag. 3.15.32, purport]. The Lord shares his opulence with the nityasiddhas and samprapta siddhas due to they do not desire anything other than the lotus feet of the lord [so ‘śnute sarvān kāmān saha brahmaṇā vipaścitā]. One may say that “Even with Kṛṣṇa desire for sense gratification is there.” This is not possible as said in Nārada Bhakti sūtra it is said—sā na kāmayamānā nirodha-rūpatvāt; “There is no question of lust in the execution of pure devotional service, because in it all material activities are renounced.” even in kārya vaikuṇṭha as in the bhāgavatam— ye ’nimitta-nimittena dharmeṇārādhayan harim “They all engage in devotional service to the Lord without desires for sense gratification.”, Prabhupāda himself writes—“In Vaikuntha loka there is no occupation but the service of the Lord, and this service is not rendered with a purpose. Although every service has a particular result, the devotees never aspire for the fulfillment of their own desires; their desires are fulfilled by rendering transcendental loving service to the Lord. [Bhag. 3.15.14, purport], “Serving the Lord in transcendental love yields such transcendental pleasure that, in comparison, sense gratification is counted as insignificant.” [Bhag. 3.15.17, purp.].

 “Amongst the devotees of the Lord there are several divisions, mainly nitya-siddhas and sādhana-siddhas. The nitya-siddha devotees never fall down to the region of the material atmosphere, even though they sometimes come onto the material plane to execute the mission of the Lord. The sādhana-siddha devotees are chosen from the conditioned souls. ~purport ŚB 3.3.26

“From Vedic scriptures it is understood that sometimes even Brahmā and Indra fall down, but a devotee in the transcendental abode of the Lord never falls.”~Purport ŚB 3.15.48

“Sometimes it is asked how the living entity falls down from the spiritual world to the material world. Here is the answer. Unless one is elevated to the Vaikuṇṭha planets, directly in touch with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is prone to fall down, either from the impersonal Brahman realization [Jīvan mukti] or from an ecstatic trance of meditation.”~Purport ŚB 3.25.29

Does Paravyoma have Māyā ? 

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has given a great amount of evidence from the Vedic literatures proving that the humanlike form of the Personality of Godhead and His holy name, abode, paraphernalia and associates are all eternal, spiritual manifestations without any tinge of material contamination. [Bhag. 11.30.5, purport by disciples of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada]

The Lord has His internal energy also, which has another creation known to be the Vaikuṇṭhalokas, where there is no ignorance, no passion, no illusion and no past and present. [purport 2.9.10]

Someone may say Jaya Vijaya fell down , for that it's found—

“This very significant question would be difficult for an ordinary person to answer, but Nārada Muni, being an  Authority, could answer it. Therefore Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira inquired from him, saying, etad ākhyātum arhasi: “Only you can explain the reason.” From  Blog Authoritative sources it can be discerned that associates of Lord Viṣṇu who descend from Vaikuṇṭha do not actually fall. They come with the purpose of fulfilling the desire of the Lord, and their descent to this material world is comparable to that of the Lord. The Lord comes to this material world through the agency of His internal potency, and similarly, when a devotee or associate of the Lord descends to this material world, he does so through the action of the spiritual energy. Any pastime conducted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead is an arrangement by yoga-māyā, not mahā-māyā. Therefore it is to be understood that when Jaya and Vijaya descended to this material world, they came because there was something to be done for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Otherwise it is a fact that no one falls from Vaikuṇṭha.”

~Śrīla Prabhupāda, Purport ŚB 3.25.29

Anyone who is in this material world, nitya-baddha. And nitya-siddhas, they never come in contact with this material world, and even they come for some business under the order of the Supreme Lord, they do not touch these material qualities. They remain always transcendental. As Krsna remains always transcendental, even though He is in this material world, similarly, Krsna's nitya-siddha associates, they are also transcendental. They never touch this material world. [Bg. Lecture, July 14, 1973, London]

The nitya-siddha devotees never fall down to the region of the material atmosphere even though they sometimes come into the material plane to execute the mission of the Lord. [Bhag. 3.3.26, purp.]

After finishing their mock fighting, both the devotee and the Lord are again associated in the spiritual planets. That is very explicitly explained here. The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode. [Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.]

The inhabitants of Vaikuntha never return to the material world. [Bhag. 3.16.27, purp.]

A devotee once accepted by the Lord, can never fall down. That is the conclusion of this incident. [Jaya and Vijaya] [Bhag. 3.16.29, purp.]

Did we fall from Kṛṣṇa's Lila ? 

The mature devotees, who have completely executed Krsna consciousness, are immediately transferred to the universe where Krsna is appearing. In that universe the devotees get their first opportunity to associate with Krsna personally and directly. [Krsna Book, Ch. 28, 6th paragraph]

Can Nityabaddhas exist in Paravyoma?

There are two kinds of souls: conditioned and liberated, nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta. Just like we are, similarly, there are living entities in the spiritual sky also, but they are ever-liberated. They never become conditioned. We are conditioned. We, I mean to say, we do not know from when, but we are conditioned. So jīva yāra vāsī. In this material world, we conditioned, we are residents. But in the spiritual world the residents are all liberated souls. Jagal-lakṣmī rakhi' rahe yāhāṅ māyā dāsī. [670105CC.NY]

The nitya-muktas are in Vaikuntha jagat, the spiritual world and they never fall into the material world. Those in the material world are conditioned souls, nitya-baddha. The nitya-baddhas can become liberated by controlling the mind because the cause of conditioned life is the mind. [Bhag. 5.11.12, purp.]

Anyone who is in this material world, nitya-baddha. And nitya-siddhas, they never come in contact with this material world, and even they come for some business under the order of the Supreme Lord, they do not touch these material qualities. They remain always transcendental. As Krsna remains always transcendental, even though He is in this material world, similarly, Krsna's nitya-siddha associates, they are also transcendental. They never touch this material world. [Bg. Lecture, July 14, 1973, London]

Did The Jīvas revolt ? 

"It is the unalloyed manifestation of the energy of the Lord, without illusion as experienced here in the material world. The whole Vaikuṇṭha existence proclaims that everyone there is a follower of the Lord. The Lord is the chief leader there, without any competition for leadership, and the people in general are all followers of the Lord. It is confirmed in the Vedas, therefore, that the Lord is the chief leader and all other living entities are subordinate to Him, for only the Lord satisfies all the needs of all other living entities." [purport 2.9.10]

"Therefore in the Vaikuntha world there is no question of enmity between the Lord and the residents. Here in this material world the citizens may be inimical to the chief executives or heads of state, but in Vaikuntha there is no such mentality. One is not allowed to enter Vaikuntha unless he has completely developed the good qualities. The basic principle of goodness is to accept subordination from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.”[Bhag. 3.15.32, purport].

Do the Muktas do not want to serve the Lord ? 

"In Vaikuntha loka there is no occupation but the service of the Lord, and this service is not rendered with a purpose. Although every service has a particular result, the devotees never aspire for the fulfillment of their own desires; their desires are fulfilled by rendering transcendental loving service to the Lord." [Bhag. 3.15.14, purport]

“Serving the Lord in transcendental love yields such transcendental pleasure that, in comparison, sense gratification is counted as insignificant.” [Bhag. 3.15.17, purp.]

Do the Muktas envy each other ? 

“The most important thing about the spiritual world is that there is no envy among the devotees there.”[Bhag. 3.15.19, purp.]

Do the Jīvas have any Origin ? 

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." [BG 2.12, trans]

So here its clearly visible that Śrīla Prabhupāda was always adherent to the Gosvāmī siddhānta. A true Disciple of the Spiritual Master is the reflection of the spiritual master. Disciple knows the heart of The Guru as said in Śrīmad Bhāgavatam “ब्रूयु: स्‍निग्धस्य शिष्यस्य गुरवो गुह्यमप्युत ॥” “Teachers disclose even their deepest secrets to an affectionate pupil.” Thus to know about the Opinion of Prabhupāda in this matter we should try to know the opinion of One of his Prominent Disciples, Oṃ Viṣṇupāda Śrī Śrīmad Aṣṭottaraśata Śrīla Gour Govinda Gosvāmī Mahārāja,on this matter —

“Who can go back home, back to Godhead? That is our question. ‘Yo vetti tattvataḥ – My birth, My activities, O Arjuna, are transcendental, not material’. One who knows that crooked person, Krishna, in tattva - sambandha, abhideya, proyojana - can go back home, back to Godhead. ‘Mām eti, after quitting this body, he will come to Me’. He will never come back here. No rebirth. How then will it be that you will fall down from there, when Krishna says ‘no rebirth, no punar janma’?”[Lecture on Caitanya-caritāmṛta ādi-līlā 5.29, Bhaktivedanta Manor – July 18, 1992]

Question: As we are part and parcel of the Supersoul, have we fallen down from the spiritual world?” Gour Govinda Swami: This is not so. If you will say that once you were in the spiritual world, then where is the question of falling down from there? Gītā says, yad gatvā na nivartante, tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg 15.6] - “Those who reach this abode of Mine never return to this material world.” Once a conditioned soul enters into that Kingdom, he will never come down again here, assuming a material body. So where is the question that once you were there and you have fallen down? No question is there.”[Lecture on Bhagavad-gītā 7.14, Bhubaneswar – June 8, 1989, Unveiling the Essence: The Enigmatic Origin of jīvas]

“Lord has said, yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg 15.6]: Once you have entrance into that spiritual world, you will never return and will not come down here to this material world with a material body. No.”[Lecture on Bhagavad-gītā 7.14, Bhubaneswar – June 8, 1989, Unveiling the Essence: The Enigmatic Origin of jīvas]

Oṁ Viṣṇupāda Śrīla Rādhā Govinda Gosvāmī Mahārāja said—

बहुत मुर्खता है ये लोग सोचते हैं कि हम भगवान के धाम में थे और वहाँ से हम गिरे हैं जब माया वहाँ पहुँची नहीं सकती कैसे गिरेंगे हम गए नहीं थे यह सत्य है| हम अनादी बहिर्मुख हैं इसी जगत में हैं|

bahuta murkhatā hai ye loga socate haiṃ ki hama bhagavāna ke dhāma meṃ the aura vahā se hama gire haiṃ jaba māyā vahā pahucī nahīṃ sakatī kaise gireṃge hama gaye nahīṃ the yaha satya hai| hama anādī bahirmukha haiṃ isī jagata meṃ haiṃ|

It is very stupid these people think that we were in Kṛṣṇa's abode and from there we have fallen when Māyā cannot reach there how will we fall we did not go it is true We are eternally turned away from God in this world.[Haridvāra May 27, 2016]

In his Book “IN VAIKUNTHA NOT EVEN THE LEAVES FALL, A treatise on the Bondage of the jīva” Śrīpāda Satyanārāyaṇa Bābājī Mahārāja has acknowledged several “Loyal” Disciples of Prabhupāda—

We can quote several such disciples of Prabhupāda but to avoid CONTROVERSY we are concealing ourselves. On that note we end this article. 

Śrīla Prabhupādo Jayati